Influencing an Opponent's Item
To influence an opponent's item, you must make an influence check as outlined above. However, the following exceptions apply:
· The mind attribute of the character controlling the item is used.
· The result is also modified by subtracting the "unused direct influence" of the item's controlling character.
· You must reveal an identical item card in order to make an influence attempt on an item (i.e., you are attempting to convince the controlling character that the item would be more useful to Sauron's cause in your hands). If the influence check is successful, you may play your card with the character that made the influence check - if you choose not to play the item, discard it.
You may not make an influence attempt on an item with a permanent-event on it.

To influence an opponent's item, make an influence attmempt as for character,except(...)

Note: In the Standard Rules, your unused general influence points helps your characters, factions, allies, and items resist influence attempts made by your opponent.

To attempt to influence one of your opponent's non-follower characters you must make an influence check. You make a roll (2D6) and:

* Add the influencing character's unused direct influence.
* Subtract your opponent's unused general influence points.
* Subtract the result of a roll (2D6) made by your opponent.
* Add any other modifications (from cards and special abilities).

All modification cards must be played before either player makes a roll.

Influencing an Opponent's Item

To influence an opponent's item, you must make an influence check as outlined above. However, the following exceptions apply:

* The mind attribute of the character controlling the item is used.
* The result is also modified by subtracting the "unused direct influence" of the item's controlling character.
* You must reveal an identical item card in order to make an influence attempt on an item (i.e., you are attempting to convince the controlling character that the item would be more useful to Sauron's cause in your hands). If the influence check is successful, you may play your card with the character that made the influence check if you choose not to play the item, discard it.

You may not make an influence attempt on an item with a permanent event on it.

Clarification: The unused direct influence tor an influence check against an item is affected by any direct influence modification that the target item gives its bearer.

Słowo rewolucja to nadużycie ale chodzi mi to, że wielokrotnie widziałem kiedy przy przekonywaniu przedmiotu robiono mind + DI vs DI.

"Przekonywanie przedmiotu" - też nadużycie.

Ech drogi Muad'Dibie, wyglada na to, ze nie czytasz instrukcji uwaznie Sprawa ta w zasadzie byla juz roztrzasana bodajze przeze mnie i Gyga na turnieju w Warszawie na wiosne 2006r.

Ja od niepamietnych czasow klocilem sie, ze sformulowanie "as outlined above" ma swoj odnosnik w ogolnych regulach dotyczacych przejmowania kart wytlumaczonych przy przejmowaniu postaci

Ot, i cala rewolucja